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Family members of Venezuelan migrants who suspect their loved ones were sent to El Salvador as part of a rapid US operation over the weekend are struggling to get more info as a legal battle plays out.

Advocates have launched a WhatsApp helpline for people searching for family members, while attorneys have tried to locate their clients after they went dark.


reuters.com/world/americas/rel

NEW. The admin files its notice w/ Judge , saying:

1. Everyone on the third plane had a final order of removal, so was not deported under the

2. The Proclamation was signed Friday but didn't go into effect until posted on the WH website

3. alleges there are 258 known members in the US

4. says they will only give Judge answers on "through an in camera & ex parte declaration." (that is, they say will file a non-public declaration that he alone can see). They still give zero specific reasons other than handwaving at national security.

#Venezuela

Essentially the told Judge that it does not need to provide the Court with any additional info (despite being ordered to do so) b/c "there was no violation of the Court's *written* order (since the relevant flights left US airspace, & so their occupants were 'removed,' before the order issued)"

DOJ then said the Court's oral pronouncements prior to the written order being docketed "were not independently
enforceable as injunctions"

[this is bullshit]

also argued that b/c it filed for a stay before the appeals court, it "should not be required to disclose sensitive information bearing on national security & foreign relations until that motion is resolved, especially given that this information is neither material nor time-sensitive."

[Not time-sensitive? They were literally flying people out if the country as fast as they could to avoid complying with the court’s order]

The Govt Affidavit provides an explanation for the third flight leaving after ’s orders:

"[A]ll individuals on that third plane had Title 8 final removal orders."

That means this flight complied with the order.

From the Sat night hearing:

Govt attorney:

"Would this TRO apply to aliens that otherwise have final orders of removal, because from our perspective, that would be an independent basis to effectuate their removal?"
...
Judge : "That's fair. ... Yes, Mr. Ensign, I agree."

There are still serious concerns about the prior two flights WITH *alleged* [w/o there’s no way to verify & family members & attorneys have said the allegations are false in many cases] detainees onboard that continued despite the judge's order.

They were not DEPORTED. Deported means sending them back to their country of origin. These people were sent to a maximum security in , without any or any analysis as to whether they feared harm there.

Flying a person to a third country that they may never have been to, directly into a prison where they are going to be forced to do hard labor, is not a ; it's something else entirely.

Per Asha Rangappa:

Historical note: When President Lincoln *actually suspended* under the Suspension Act of 1863, he was required to provide lists of all people detained who were not POWs to the circuit court. He complied. While prosecuting an *actual war*.

(Ex parte Milligan - law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/t)

LII / Legal Information InstituteEx parte Milligan

From Southpaw:

The government under by all accounts is shipping these people into indefinite involuntary servitude in without even the pretense of any process, much less duly convicting them of a . It’s an enslaving operation.

It is .

This is some messed up dystopian stuff

Photos of the illegally *deported* by under the to the maximum security prison Terrorist Confinement Centre () in Tecoluca,

Photos, released by the Presidencia El Salvador.

Photos of the illegally *deported* by under the to the maximum security prison Terrorist Confinement Centre () in Tecoluca,

Photos, released by the Presidencia El Salvador.

Photos of the illegally *deported* by under the to the maximum security prison Terrorist Confinement Centre () in Tecoluca,

Photos, released by the Presidencia El Salvador.

NEW

admin chastises judge for making flight case ‘a picayune dispute’

The chastised a federal judge’s demand for info about deportation flights that left the country over the weekend, accusing him of “digressive micromanagement” in a court filing Wed.

Judge ordered the Trump admin to provide him the details under seal by midday Wed as the judge investigates whether ofcls violated his Sat order to turn around airborne planes….


thehill.com/regulation/court-b

“What began as a dispute between litigants over the President’s authority to protect the national security & manage the foreign relations of the US pursuant to both a longstanding Congressional authorization & the President’s core constitutional authorities has devolved into a picayune dispute over the micromanagement of immaterial factfinding,” wrote.

“The Court has now spent more time trying to ferret out information about the Government’s flight schedules & relations with foreign countries than it did in investigating the facts before certifying the class action in this case. That observation reflects how upside-down this case has become, as digressive micromanagement has outweighed consideration of the case’s legal issues,” the DOJ wrote [missing the point].

Judge just granted the admin ANOTHER 24hrs to explain themselves. His order expressed serious doubt about the claim of state secrets or classified information. Boasberg points out that everything was already largely disclosed by Trump on socialmedia.

ORDER: The Court ORDERS that: 1) Defendants' 37 Motion is GRANTED IN PART & DENIED IN PART; & 2) Defendants shall have until March 20, 2025 at 12PM

storage.courtlistener.com/reca

Per Raffi Melkonian:

Judge is building insurance against appellate review. He wants the appeals court to see that the district judge gave every opportunity to comply w/ his orders.

It's just very difficult to get a contempt order or something similar to stick, especially against DOJ.

It’s not how it should work, but it’s the world we live in.

Even this level of restraint & patience may not work.

AG incorrectly tells FauxNews that Judge in the Venezuelan case has "no right" to ask when the planes departed & who was on them while determining whether the admin defied the court order:

"This judge has no right to ask those questions.… The judge had no business, no power to do what he did"

Wrong. So very wrong.

NEW

filed a reply in support of emergency motion for a stay pending appeal —an attempt to block Judge 's

storage.courtlistener.com/reca

lawyers urged an appeals court Wed to overturn a judge’s block on ’s of under the .

The filing is the latest volley in an escalating legal battle over Trump's priority of strengthening enforcement. Trump has called for Chief US District Judge James 's …[&] Chief Justice rebuked Trump over the impeachment threat.


usatoday.com/story/news/politi

USA TODAY · Trump administration asks appeals court to reverse block on deportation of VenezuelansBy , USA TODAY

It appears that ’s has *missed* (refused to comply with) the deadline set by Judge to provide answers on the .

lawyers have *determined* [made up from whole cloth] that an 18th-cent wartime Trump invoked to deport *suspected* [presumed] members of a Venezuelan gang allows federal agents to enter homes WITHOUT A WARRANT….

The disclosure reflects the Trump admin’s aggressive view of , including setting aside a key provision of the that requires a to search someone’s home.

Order from Judge in

1. By March 21, 2025, at 10:00 AM, Defendants shall submit a sworn declaration by a person with direct involvement in the Cabinet-level discussions regarding invocation of the state-secrets privilege;

2. By March 25, 2025, Defendants shall submit a declaration indicating whether or not the Government is invoking the privilege;

storage.courtlistener.com/reca

3. By March 25, 2025, Defendants shall file a brief showing cause why they did not violate the Court's Temporary Restraining Orders by failing to return class members removed from the United States on the two earliest planes that departed on March 15, 2025; &

4. Plaintiffs may file any response to such brief by March 31, 2025.

#Trump#Boasberg#law

Judge is exasperated.

“On March 18, 2025, the Court ordered Defendants to provide by noon the following day specific information regarding flights carrying individuals subject to the Court’s Temporary Restraining Orders issued 3 days before.…Defendants instead filed a pleading shortly before the deadline seeking to stay the Order in large part on the ground that they were considering whether to invoke the privilege.…

“Although skeptical of the applicability of such privilege, the Court granted Defendants another 24hrs either to release the information ordered or to invoke the privilege.…

“In an ex parte pleading delivered shortly after today's deadline, the Govt again evaded its obligations.

#Trump#Boasberg#law

“[The govt] submitted a 6-paragraph declaration from the Acting Field Office Director for Enforcement & Removal Operations at ICE's Harlingen, TX, Field Office…. After 4 paragraphs of identifying info, he repeated the same general info about the flights: 'On March 15, 2025, 2 flights carrying aliens being removed under the departed US airspace before the Court's minute order of 7:25PM EDT, & before the Court's oral statements during the hearing.'

#Trump#Boasberg#law

“He then stated, 'I understand that Cabinet Secretaries are currently actively considering whether to invoke the privilege over the other facts requested by the Court's order. Doing so is a serious matter that requires careful consideration of national security & foreign relations, & it cannot properly be undertaken in just 24 hours.'

“This is woefully insufficient.”

[a seriously scripted declaration]

#Trump#Boasberg#law

“To begin, the Govt cannot proffer a regional ICE ofcl to attest to Cabinet-level discussions of the privilege; indeed, his declaration on that point,…is based solely on his unsubstantiated 'understand[ing].' Although its skepticism concerning the suitability of such privilege…remains, the Court at a minimum requires an ofcl w/direct involvement to swear that deliberations of the privilege's invocation are ongoing at the level Cerna attests.“

#Trump#Boasberg#law

“[The Court] further expects such deliberations to be concluded by March 25, 2025, which only exceedingly good cause may excuse.

“In addition, to avoid further delay, the Court will require Defendants to show cause on the facts that they have already disclosed as to why the failure to return the class members aboard the 2 earliest planes did not violate the Court's TROs. Further supplementation may be required once particulars are ultimately disclosed.”

#Trump#Boasberg#law

doubling (tripling? quadrupling?…) down on toward the even going after conservative Chief Justice (see pic).

The admin is back in court this afternoon before Judge who is seeking detailed info about the govt’s defiance of his court order to return deported under the .

Boasberg—who isn’t some small time judge as Trump & the DOJ are saying, but rather the chief judge for the US District Court for the DV—on Thurs called the info the govt had provided him after multiple hearings & orders “woefully insufficient” (see earlier in this 🧵 for entire quote).


This morning, Dpty AG (& fmr defense atty who lost the case that resulted in Trump becoming the first convicted to be elected POTUS in history) submitted a sworn declaration at confirming that there are ongoing Cabinet-level discussions that Blanche is involved in about whether the admin will invoke the “ privilege” to shield some info from the court.

The privilege would allow the govt to withhold evidence on the grounds that it could compromise national security. has repeatedly expressed skepticism that this privilege applies if for no other reason than everything about the were broadcast by & the admin on social media.

After reviewing ’s declaration, Boasberg scheduled a hearing for 2:30PM today, & said the govt must decide by Tues whether it would be invoking the privilege.

Nonilex

Judge ’s hearing has started on ’s motion to vacate his barring the admin from carrying out any further .

Boasberg starts off, telling DOJ that they have been using "disrespectful, intemperate language" that he's "never seen from the United States"

"Without having any edge, I made it very clear what you had to do. Did you not understand my statement from that hearing?" Boasberg asks

🧵

asks about his order to return the detainees to the US:

“You understood that?”

DOJ’s atty says that what he told the trump admin – is covered by .

Judge Boasberg says that at the start of Sat’s hearing, the DOJ told him that it had "no detail" on the removal flights.

"No one told you anything about those flights?" Boasberg asked.

[btw, this was publicly available information via flight tracker]

🧵

: "I often tell my clerks before they go out into the world & practice law that the most valuable" attributes they have are "their reputation & their credibility.”
[burn]

Boasberg moves on to the underlying case. He says that nobody contests the President's ability to oversee .

[of course this was not a foreign affair but domestic policy operation]

🧵

: “It is also clear that individuals must have a chance to show that they are members of a class that " affects.

finally concedes that the government has legal avenues for deporting people subject to the & that the court has allowed the admin to do so.

[you know, the way it is supposed to be done]

[TYVM]

🧵

: "Why was this proclamation essentially signed in the dark? ...And then have people rushed onto planes? TO me, the only reason to do that is to” rush people out of the country before a suit is filed.

: "I don't have operational details"
[FFS 🤦🏼‍♀️ that’s what this & the last several hearings & orders have been about! argh!!!]

🧵

: Within only a couple of hours planes cleared US airspace, all of these people were put on these flights & collected & the flights had taken off.

"ICE had to have had advance notice of this proclamation because it's impossible that this could have happened in a few hours"

says that seems like "a reasonable inference”

[I’ll boost a post I made 3 days ago with a graphic of the timeline]
🧵

begins questioning on infringements:

“What happens if govt removes someone who is not a member of Tren de Aragua?”

DOJ cites a case from 1946.

Boasberg asks what limits the DOJ thinks there are for determining who is subject to the proclamation.

DOJ allows for very limited .

🧵

returns to the idea that individual people can raise challenges under .

[not exactly an option for people who are already in an El Salvadorian terrorist detention center!]

compares this to the old cases, in which the courts were able to review whether a detainee was a member of Al Qaeda even if "they had never even set foot in the United States"

🧵

: let's talk about whether is the sole avenue of review

[hopefully we will soon hear about & the admin’s defiance of the courts]

keeps trying to argue that the challenge in this case would strip the govt, somehow, of its authority to detain people.

[not if they do it without breaking the law]

Boasberg, incredulous: this is about removal, isnt it? [not detention]

🧵

asks what standard of review the uses to determine if a deportee is subject to the

DOJ cites war powers, foreign policy, other areas where, the atty argues, courts have recognized that "where review is available in court, it's done deferentially"

Boasberg: "Are you going to tell each person that's going to be deported" that they have the right to a challenge? WHAT IS THE COURT’S ROLE in ensuring deportees are subject to the AEA before they end up in El Salvador?

reminds the that created a court for exactly this -- the Alien Terrorist Removal Court. It has never been used.

FYI: Boasberg was Chief Judge of The Alien Terrorist Removal Court 2020–2025 →

fjc.gov/history/courts/alien-t

Boasberg asks about rights to aliens within the

DOJ argues their rights are "quite limited"

🧵

www.fjc.govAlien Terrorist Removal Court: Judges | Federal Judicial CenterInformation on individual courts includes judge lists, succession charts, legislative history, district organization, meeting places, records and bibliography…

argues that, hypothetically, people subject to could contest that via a habeas claim. But says that the current suit (a class action) shouldn't be allowed (not brought by individual)

asks about claims: Why can't the plaintiffs bring that related to the removals?

DOJ says that such a claim needs to be brought as part of a petition.

[again, not easy to do from )

🧵

Plaintiffs turn

says they're not seeking to stop the govt from deporting people in normal course, under the & Nationality Act, & argue that challenging the proclamation wouldn't work via individualized cases.

asks what the plaintiffs think they have to do to show that they're not members of TdA.

ACLU says that during the WWI invocation, there weren't removals. And even during the WWII removals, the govt "set up a hearing board" to review cases.

: "It can't just be you're put on a plane in 2hrs"

ACLU says that unless there's a review process, "anyone could be taken off the street." He adds that the plaintiffs see another question: whether the proclamation itself is reviewable by the courts; he says it is.

ACLU: "This is a very dangerous road we're going down where the can be invoked against a gang" [not a foreign nation or government]

🧵

interjects to say that a big question here is about TdA membership, determining who is covered by the .

Boasberg to : I agree that the policy implications of this are incredibly troubling, problematic, concerning....it's an unprecedented & expanded use of the Act

🧵

says he is also concerned that those targeted were not working for foreign governments, but adds that the question of his ability to review the proclamation itself is unclear.

"There's still a lot of language in cases that gives me pause"

🧵

is back up briefly for a hypothetical presented by Boasberg about whether the could apply to Chinese fishermen under their interpretation of the . They agreed it could.

Court is adjourned for the day.

🧵

@Nonilex Arrgg! Adjourned? Seemed like they were really getting into the nitty-gritty details finally. (Plus I can't get enough of judges backing the DOJ against a wall)

@Nonilex since it’s Friday afternoon, I’d guess it’s actually adjourned for the weekend.

48 hours for DOJ and donnydictator to commit more dastardly deeds!

@Nonilex no, their rights are NOT limited and it’s obscene for DOJ to even say shit like that.

@Nonilex these lawyers repeating obvious bs need to go to jail for contempt. And keep piling them up until we find someone (and the admin allows) to tell the truth.

@Nonilex
When did we declare war on Venezuela? Without that, how do you even get to evoke this act?